Taking Your Book From Idea To Sold

James Taylor Interviews Annalisa Parent and they talked about Taking Your Book From Idea To Sold

In this episode, we cover:

• How client magnet books work
• Taking Your Book From Idea To Sold
• Content editors vs copy editors

Resources:

• Recommended Book: On Writing Well by William Zinsser
• Recommended Tools: Google Docs
• Official Website
• Storytelling for Pantsers

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James Taylor
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Hey there, it's James Taylor, and I'm delighted to welcome on to the summit today. Annalisa Parent. Annalisa parent helps experts and business owners to write publish and sell client magnet books to massively scale their brands and businesses. She is the founder of date with Muse and co founder of laurel elite books, the latter offering full service publishing. And Lisa writes for many local national and international publications and has been featured on Huffington Post live as well as CBS Associated Press and Korean broadcast systems. She believes in taking the writing craft seriously without taking herself too seriously. And attempts to heat the wisdom of the ancient Roman poet Horace who said mix a little foolishness with your prudence, it's good to be silly at the right moment. What a great thing to live by. So thank you so much for coming on and joining us today. Annalisa.

Annalisa Parent
Thank you so much for having me, James. It's a pleasure to be here with you.

James Taylor
So share with everyone what's going on in your world just now.

Annalisa Parent
Yes, so a lot going on over at Laurel elite books. In addition to helping experts to publish their client magnet books I've been speaking with organizations about clarity in their written communications, so newsletters, internal emails, working a lot around those factors of clarity, and audience, which are really important in writing.

James Taylor
So you mentioned that what client magnet books described to be what is it was a client magnet books, how would they differ from any other type of book that someone might be writing.

Annalisa Parent
So in my mind, a client magnet book is a book that will start a conversation with your ideal client, so that by the time they're finished with chapter one, they're certainly going to know who you are, what you stand for, and how you can help them to solve their unique problem, what your unique solution is. And certainly by the end of that book, if they're the right fit for what you offer, and how you offer it, that conversation has moved forward exponentially. By the last page, they're ready to get on a call with you talk with you about how you can help them to solve their problem.

James Taylor
And you work with lots of different types of writers obviously, a lot of nonfiction writers people are using the books as you say, to bring in potential custom to their business build their brands, I'm wondering is any particular type of book that you find works better for those those client magnet books and we something see the the kind of more storytelling, I'm thinking like the almost like the E myth revisited, where they use kind of like fictional almost like narrative that's kind of going on there. And then you have the more like, here's what to do the ABC of something. And then you have like lots of things in between. What books do you find tend to work best when it comes to writing these very specific more kind of client magnet books,

Annalisa Parent
you know, you're talking about different styles and the degree to which story is used. And one of my favorite business gurus out there, although he balks at the term guru, Bob Berg says story sells, and it does, in fact, sell and for those of you who have read any of the books in the go giver series, which he co authors, you know, he's using a parable to get his business message across. And so that's on the far extreme of how we can use story to sell. And then on the other end of the spectrum, we have a really straightforward, informative, sort of our classic non fiction book. I would say that the ideal expert book is going to fall smack dab in the middle of those two things. certainly want to be giving some information, some helpful information. And there will be a story included. And so some people want to because they're good at or they like to fictionalize or create a parable that that is woven throughout, we might see an ideal client make progress through the book, for example. Or, more simply put, we can include anecdotes of people who have gone through our programs, people we've helped who have been successful, to really show what it can look like to start in one place, and, and in another after working with us. So to summarize, it's really a perfect blend of both story and telling to really get that reader engaged. But we're programmed for story that's from a neuroscientific standpoint. So certainly, getting those stories in there is engaging. And it's also helpful for the illustration for the client to see what it is that you do, and how you can do it. And what that can look like,

James Taylor
after I mean, I think I just read two books recently, and one with one customer topic, really the one kind of marketing, one book was heavy research driven was written by a very good academic, but the end of it, I felt, I felt, okay, I know this information, but like, what do I do with it, there was no like, no, there's no kind of how to nothing in terms of actionable and, and I felt the book was moved for that. And then the other book I read, use a parable of a guy who was it was almost a little bit of that kind of E myth type of format, where it was a story of a guy who had a bike shop, and he was looking to improve his bike shop. And then there was a cyclist used to come in who was a very successful businessman who always helps it, these are the seven things in your business that you need to focus on. And as I and it was a very good base, and much more simple book, but very well ordered, well structured, well thought out. And, and I think now of the books that I've won, I've suggested more often is that second one is the one that weaves a story in, but there's very strong kind of actionable goals. And and it's easy for me to say to someone, or I've just read this book, and it's about such and such, and it covers such as it was much easier for me to do that one rather than the top of the academic, which I guess goes to your point of having that that blend.

Annalisa Parent
Yeah, you know, in the one case, you read a book that was too heavy on theory, you know, putting on my professor hat, I certainly have lived in academia, and I enjoy a good theoretical discussion as much as any other professor. But there's a time and a place for that. And so if we're looking to do something, to implement something, we do need those actionable steps. And showing those to your potential client shows that you know, your stuff, you know how to do this, you know how to solve this problem.

James Taylor
Now you work with lots of experts, people who, wherever their field is they've quite all this knowledge, expertise, they may be well known in their particular field, but not known more generally. What was some of the challenges or mistakes that you see them make early on when they then look to take that, all that knowledge or that years of experience from their head, and put it into book forms in order to bring in clients and help build their brand?

Annalisa Parent
Yeah, so I would say the top two mistakes that I see are the wrong kind of book, or expecting a book to do too much. So the wrong kind of book, people want a shortcut. And so they create sort of like these quote, collections, or even worse, they throw together all of their blog entries, and none of them really go together. And I've heard that there are people coaching that out there, don't listen to them. It doesn't work. You know, because what you want is a conversation. And, you know, if I hung out with you at the cocktail party, James, and I was like an Abe Lincoln said, and then Ben Franklin said, you would just think that I was weird, and we would not be having a GM season. So that doesn't work to start a conversation. That's really our goal is how do we get them into a conversation. And then the second point is, you know, there may be many, many, many books in you. And people, when they come to their first book, they say, Oh, I know a lot about a and then sometimes I help people be and then there's one time I help person was See, and they think they need to include every single thing that they know, in that one book. And if that feels or sounds overwhelming it is. And so you know, streamlining that information, so that we can connect on one conversation. That makes sense. So if we go back to that cocktail party analogy, if I'm standing next to you with my pinky up in my hand on the stem, and I say, you know, I like basketball, and I like baseball, and sometimes I ski and I like I've given you way too much information. If I just say you know, I went skiing last weekend, well then we can have a conversation about you know, do you ski Do you like skiing, where do you ski all of those things, versus too much information. So finding that perfect topic, and What the chronology will be of what's book one? What's your most important message to be the four rudder? And then how do you follow that up with Book Two, Book Three, and so on. So that you can continue that conversation with potential clients. Because those people who really love you and love book one, are going to be eager for book two.

James Taylor
So when you're working with authors, you actually sit down with them, and they have all these ideas, and you actually almost can plan out what their book one, Book Two, Book Three, even if even if you're not completely sure, you know, full details of book two and Book Three, but you've got the big, you know, buckets. So this is what it goes into. I'm wondering, when you've kind of mapped out a little bit of a roadmap for them of a couple of books, so that helps them feel a bit more relaxed. I don't have to put everything in this book one. Coming back to book one, though, how do you start to outline it, you're even on if you just take one of those three things you might be doing? See, okay, this is the thing we're gonna This is the kind of book we're gonna write. How do you start to kind of get your hands around a book, you know how to do to decide what the book is going to do? Who's going to who's going to serve?

Annalisa Parent
Absolutely. So I would say that 90% of the people who come to us would say, I'm not a writer, but I want to write a book. So they're not coming from, you know, MFA programs, learning how to write, they might have even hated writing when they were in school. And so our programs are specifically targeted to help those kind of people to answer those kinds of questions. Right? Where do I even start? With all of this? What stories do I include? Because those are really important questions to be asking. So these people are asking all of the right questions. And we're helping them to find the right answers. And one of the ways that we do that James, is to back it up, because some people sort of put the cart before the horse, and they think that they just need a book. But it's not a book. It's a scaling tool. And it can't be a scaling tool, unless we've got a strategy. So I, there are two people who come to me, they either say I've got a book, and I don't know where to start, or I already wrote a book, and it's not selling, what do I do now? So when we start with people at the idea stage, we're taking people not just through how do I write a book? How do I organize my ideas? Those are all important things, of course, but they're more directly tied to the marketing strategy that we're going to implement, so that that message gets into the hands of the people who need it. So we're answering all of those questions at once. Because really, it's the same question, who's the audience for my book is who's the audience for my business? Same avatar? So how are we going to target that person, not only with the book, but how are we going to get that book into that person's hands? What about this book is going to be appealing? So we're backing it up way, even before we're putting words on a page? Because what we're really creating is a strategy, the strategy that is book specific and the strategy that is business specific. And on the Venn diagram, there's a lot of overlap there. But we need a lot of clarity around what we want this book to do for the author. And that's an important question to be asking, as well, when we consider what goes in Book One, what goes in Book Two, what goes in Book Three, we're thinking about the purpose of those books, they might be a slightly different arm of the strategy, in the sense that, you know, you might put out Facebook ads, and you might put out Twitter ads, those are both social media ads, but your targeting might be a little different. And your strategy might be a little different. We need to get into the intricacies of all of those details so that we can put together a solid scaling tool that we call a book.

James Taylor
And in that conversation as you start going in identifying the avatar, what the overall strategy is, I'm guessing the conversation comes up relatively early from the author saying, should I be finding a traditional publisher and getting a book deal? Should I be independently publishing with a with an independent publisher or a hybrid model? What, you know, where should I be going? How do you approach that conversation?

Annalisa Parent
Absolutely. So that's a question that a lot of people have. And the good news for entrepreneurs, coaches consultants out there is that self publishing or hybrid publishing work really well, in this particular genre? If you told me you wanted to write a mystery novel, that would be a very different conversation, but sales are really good in those two venues. Now, I'm a little biased in this question, because I own and operate a publishing company that takes you from idea to sold so we're publishing that book for our clients. And that's really great that we take them from I have an idea what do I do all the way through, I have a book in my hands and I know how to sell it, because we get the consistency of branding and the consistency of the marketing strategy and the consistency of having a team behind you. So I'm a little biased and thinking that that's the very best way to do it, because that's how I do it. And because a lot of those people that I said those 50% of the people who come to me and say, I wrote a book, but it's not selling are people who just slapped it up on Amazon and expected the world to flock to them, if you build it, they'll come without any strategy to make that happen. So,

James Taylor
so it's almost like, it's almost like a continuum there. Like with traditional publishers, at one end, absolutely self published, we just say, Listen, I just write it, I'm just gonna throw it up onto Amazon. And then you've got this, this hybrid somewhere in the middle, which is hopefully taking the best part of traditional publishing, giving, you know, giving you access, and also helping you through that process, almost like in music, and that can ANR process the, the the editing process, but at the same time, it gives you enough speed and flexibility which you might be lacking with a traditional publisher.

Annalisa Parent
Absolutely. I think that you hit the nail on the head right there, James. And if I can just send a word of caution out there. I mean, obviously, I think I'm the best solution for that out there. But I recognize that I am not the only publisher out there offering this. So people say well, how do I choose like, what's the best way to choose and my one word of caution is, is this, look for the results that you want for your book. So I work really well with people who want to put a quality message about a quality solution into the hands of their ideal client, and sell actual books for money. So there are a lot of publishers out there. And this like you're going to hear my ire raise, because this infuriates my sensibilities, who promise you an Amazon bestseller. And the way that they do this is they create an arbitrary category, you know, books with orange covers, and suddenly, you've sold two books, and you're the best seller in the books with orange covers category, hooray, but you only sold two books, but you get to call yourself a quote unquote best seller, you only sold two books. So that's not a goal that I think is important. For me, that's like the perfect attendance award that you got in the third grade, it's not getting you anything, what I want from my authors, that is that they actually sell books, not that they sell two books, so they can call themselves a best seller. So that's just a word of caution. Now, there may be some listeners out there who saying no, I really want to have that sticker to put on the front of my book. And that's important to me. And that's, that's fine, but it's not actually selling you any books.

James Taylor
So like there's hybrid publishers, then there, then all of the same flavor that they get labeled with hybrid publisher, but that can range from quite hands off styles of publishers to something much more. I mean, the I know, the type of publishing you work with, you're also working a lot on that, that almost like coaching process, there's kind of going on there as well. And obviously, then the editing and, and all the publishing and then helping you think about marketing as well. But at the very first on the on the coaching side of things, I think this actually quite an undervalued piece of it. I think something that you know, you've met you put a lot of energy and a lot of effort with you're ready. So I'd be interested to know, what does it look like to work with a hybrid publisher, like you that does have that coaching piece as part of it?

Annalisa Parent
Yeah, so we really walk alongside the author. And so when they're in the writing phase, they're getting weekly support from our writing coaching team. So sometimes that's me, sometimes it's somebody else on the team, especially if they're not writers, they're really going to want that feedback of like, Where do I even start? Or does this make sense? How do I make that work? And let's not overlook the emotional component of that, right? And, you know, we're supposed to be so professional, you know what? Writing makes people cry for lots of different reasons. There's a vulnerability there, there could be a frustration there, there can be a lot of fear in expressing yourself, Will people like it? What if they hate it? What if they love it? Those are all realities of that situation, to say nothing of the fear of putting your message out there in the world for strangers to read. That's kind of a strange phenomenon that a book does. So we're working, not only with entrepreneurs to scale a business, not only with authors to get their message out into the world, but with people to work through what the reality of getting your message out into the world is. And I would say that's a differentiating factor for us. We're not a mill, who's just going to take anybody and turn out a book that doesn't matter what the content is. That's not what we're about at all. We're about quality connections, quality messages and quality books.

James Taylor
It's interesting. I was talking to an author recently who she was working on our first book and nonfiction book business as usual. You successful in business. And she said, I'm going to write this book. And I'm not going to put it's not going to be my stories I don't want to be I don't put any meat into, it's just going to be about business and things. And as she was writing it, she was really struggling with it. And then I think the person she was working with or the editor said, you need to be adding yourself in here. You I can't see you in this, but I can't hear you. I can see you in this book. And she started adding those things very reluctantly, first. And then as she was getting feedback, both from the person she was working with it, and also just some support network that she had around her. They were saying, that's the bit that we love. Keep that keep that. And now she's on going doing the book tours, she's doing speaking and everything. And she said, whenever people want to book we said, I love that story that you told when you were 12. And that thing happened. And actually she's talking about a book, which is all about big business. But that's what as you said, going back to your very first point at the beginning of this interview, that's what people remember. They remember stories, parables.

Annalisa Parent
Yeah, absolutely. And I completely understand where she started, right? Because it's really scary to share of ourselves. And it feels like we can shortcut it and tell other people's stories. And, you know, I can say from personal experience, James, my most recent book is a business book. It's my expert entrepreneur book. And in your intro, you gave that quote from Horace about being silly at the right times, this book is extraordinary, extraordinarily intellectually geeky, I geek out on writing big time. And I'm pretty dang silly in the book as well. So if you read my Amazon reviews, there are people who love that mix. And there are people that hate that mix. And my opinion on that is, that's okay. There are people out there who aren't going to jive with my vibe. And that's okay, they should work with someone else who's going to really get them and be able to take them where they need to go. But it's doing something magical in that the people who are ideal to work with me are the people who are going to love that book. And that's the part of the conversation that's so important is that authenticity, if I go into the cocktail party pretending to be someone that I'm not, I might have some good conversations, but I'm probably not going to come out with any friends.

James Taylor
Now, when you absolutely mean, rings, not just rings true, not just in a book when you read it, and you just, it just it's kind of like flies off the pages things off the page. And I think when you hear it, when a speaker you talk about, you know, going in speaking events as well, I mean, you instantly know, when that speaker is telling something and it's coming from a deeper part is coming from an intro or even like it's a silly story, a funny story. But there's just there's changes, the energy in the room is different. I can't really explain any better than that, really, but you feel it rather than this. This is stuff I've learned from books, I'm maybe regurgitating something here as well, you so you move from then into the I'm interested as you start moving into this kind of editing stage. So you're getting creating all this content. When it comes to the editing, I hear all these different phrases all time at different types of editors. So we hear content editors, developmental editors, structural editors, copy editors. So like, so break it down. For me, when we hear these dividends, what are the different types of editors that you will often deal with as an author.

Annalisa Parent
So at the end of the day, regardless of title, you need someone who's going to help you with the content. So content editors, developmental editors, structural editors, all of those fall under that they are slightly different, but they're all dealing with content. And then when you're finished finished, when you're ready to publish, when you're ready to submit, then you need a copy editor. And this is the brilliant person who comes in and make sure that all of your commas are in the right place, and you didn't misspell things, and that your manuscript is just cleaned up. Now let's go back to the content because there are a bunch of different types of editors. So a structural editor is exactly what it sounds like. They're going to help you to work on the structure, a developmental editor and a Content Editor. Those are sometimes used interchangeably and sometimes not. Typically, those editors are helping you to put together the content. So I was meeting with one of our authors this morning, and we were moving around paragraphs from chapter three and putting them into the introduction, because it made more sense there. And then we had to fix some of the transitions to make it work. That's the kind of work that a good content editor should be helping you with. And, you know, just as you know, for making a checklist of good attributes of an editor, I always read the entire draft of a manuscript before I start working with the author because I want to have a full comprehensive view of the entire message before we get started. And that's not true for all editors. So you need to decide if that's an important attribute for you in your editor. And that would be a question to ask if you're looking to hire someone.

James Taylor
And I'm thinking, I'm gonna say, No, this is a nonfiction bar, but we see it now a lot more, I love called opens on, especially on speeches, maybe not on books, but there's like TV series I've been watching, like Better Call Saul or Breaking Bad. And they've they've really taken a piece that you would normally see maybe a quarter of the way through the TV show. And they put it right at the start. And your your curiosity is instantly. And I've seen in writers when they use that. And they'll put that story and it's in curiosity. It's and I can imagine from if you're getting a book on Kindle, for example, and you only have that first one, and it comes up to the end said, Would you like to buy this book? Or would you still like to stay on the sample? That's got me hooked, I need to buy a book now. So that's like how the importance of structure and moving things around and and finding it if you've got if you're if the theme that you're you're you're trying to put ahead is going the whole way through. I wonder something you mentioned there was this idea of, of magnet customer magnets or client magnets. In terms of those calls to action, if you let's say if you're a consultant, and one of your books as you want people to come and use your consulting services, would you be looking to put those kind of calls to action vague towards the start of the book, or peppered throughout the book? Or is it something you would leave right until till the end,

Annalisa Parent
we pepper them throughout the book. And the reason for that is that fewer than 50% of people read the full book that they've purchased. So my goal in this book is that if I pick up your book, I'm your potential client and I pick it up, I can open to any page of that book, and engage in a conversation with you. That means that every word needs to count. And those calls to action need to come frequently enough that I can engage a reader who opens to page 51, I can engage a reader who takes a look at the index first, right? I want to be optimizing that book because again, technically, it's a book, but it's really a scaling tool. And we want to optimize that, to the extent the fullest extent that we can

James Taylor
go to and in terms of tools when you're working with authors, especially first time authors, what tools are you recommending they use in terms of writing and drafting how you communicate with them.

Annalisa Parent
So we always work in Google Docs. And I like Google Docs, because there's only ever one draft. So we don't have to worry about version one, version two, that just gets confusing. The other thing that's really nice about Google Docs is that it does have a speech feature. So you can talk to it, and it will type for you. Now, it's not perfect, but it's a good approximation. And then a lot of my authors find and this is really solid neuroscience, they find that they think best when they're moving. So there'll be on the treadmill, and they'll have some kind of recording device, a lot of them use apps on their phones, that record for them. And they might send that to somebody to transcribe or they might get an app that transcribes that for them. But, you know, it may not be the final draft, but it's at least a good approximation of the main ideas that they wanted to say, which is a good starting place for us to fill in the gaps.

James Taylor
That's so that's so important. I think that's is undervalued when you have those ideas, and you say there's a lot of science now in terms of movement, and its effect on creativity, coming up with ideas and also colors, you know, certain colors will increase levels of, you know, numbers of creative ideas. But there's having that something with you all times you can capture whether it's Evernote, or whether it's just the voice recorder on your phone, or if you carry a journal, because we have these ideas all the time and it must remember to write that down and it never gets written. suddenly goes comes along. What about a book if you were to recommend one book and not not one of your own books were bought by another author? It could be on the craft of writing or maybe on the marketing or the selling of of your books. What would that book be?

Annalisa Parent
Absolutely hands down on writing well by Williams enter

James Taylor
on writing Well, that is I've never heard of that one. So I'm deaf. I'm gonna go in.

Annalisa Parent
Oh, my goodness, this I use excerpts from this book in all of my workshops. He's, he's brilliant. And one of the things that I really respect about him and unfortunately we lost him about two years ago, but one of the things I really respect about him I think he was up to the sixth or seventh edition of this book because over the decades, he perpetually improved it to increase the clarity to eliminate the jargon, all of the things that he coaches in that book he lived and preached. And he also added chapters to it as we moved into, you know, a more digital world to be applicable to today's world. So I absolutely respect his work. And I love that book.

James Taylor
Fantastic. We'll have a link here for that as well. And final kind of question, I'd love to know, cuz we don't really get so much time to talk about your own writing as well. But we'll have some links for that. But I'd be interested, if if you were that person who's starting, I'm gonna imagine it's yourself, you're going to be having to start again. So you've you do have your skills, you have your writing skills, which you didn't have before, you've got the knowledge you've acquired, but you have no platform, no one knows who you are, you know, no one, you're gonna have to restart with your writing, what would you do? How would you restart?

Annalisa Parent
I think if I had to restart, I would start with the book first. So one of the stories that I've heard from millionaire entrepreneurs, billionaire entrepreneurs, who I interview on a regular basis to talk about, you know, what's the secret to your success? How did you do it? That book for all of them was a moment where they transitioned into the next level of their business, both from a confidence standpoint, and from a revenue standpoint, there was a huge jump, because the book gives you those opportunities, you're suddenly the expert, you're on the radio, you're invited to speak. And you can say, oh, if you read my book, oh, I talk about that in my book, right. So you're, you're the expert. And I think that, as tools go is one of if not the most powerful tools you can have available for you.

James Taylor
That's fascinating. And so I love the idea in terms of just taking a step up. I mean, it is the book's incredible thing. You think how much information and knowledge and legacy you can put into this tiny little thing is, yeah, we're we're very fortunate to, to be in this in this world and be doing this at this time in history as well. If, and we're gonna have a link here to, to a really cool thing you have, which is a consultation that you do with prospective authors, aspiring authors, or new professional authors who are just you said, they've written a book, but it's not really working for them not really scaling form is called a free scaling consultation. And we're going to have a link here to be one, click on that link, go through to that and, and schedule that. Would you tend to when you focus on that converse of that consultation call? What are what are the things that you look to try and do with with the person on that call.

Annalisa Parent
So we're looking to get 100% clarity on where these entrepreneurs, coaches and consultants are, where they want to go, and how they can get there? quite simple.

James Taylor
And if people want to just reach out to you more generally check out about your your books and things that you have happening at the moment, where's the best place for them to go and do that?

Annalisa Parent
Absolutely. So I'm gonna give myself a little shout out here. My most recent book storytelling for pantsers, which is my entrepreneur, expert book just won an award as the best business book of the year from the Colorado independent Publishers Association of solutions, thank you. And also in the humor categories, so it's fun and entertaining. So you can find that on Amazon simply by searching storytelling for Panzers and have it shipped straight to your home or buy it in ebook form. And the audio book is on its way, we'll come out to

James Taylor
one four, I'm going to have a link for that as well. And this thank you so much for coming on today. And and helping demystify a lot the parts about the writing process and working with a writing coach and different types of editors. I wish you all the best with the businesses. It goes from strength to strength, and also your next book that you're working on.

Annalisa Parent
Thank you so much. James has been a real pleasure to be here today with you and your audience.

James Taylor
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